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If the One Nation Rally scared the Tea Party into incoherent babbling (see comments), can’t wait to see what happens October 30th!

October 11, 2010

…based on what Tea Partiers have written here and elsewhere in response to the One Nation success, it is also obvious they are very scared and very threatened by what took place in Washington DC on October 2nd. Even sadder for them is that it promises to only get worse when the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear takes place in Washington DC on October 30th, which will probably represent many of the same people as at the One Nation event!

On Saturday, October 2nd, One Nation Working Together held a march in Washington DC that included a coalition of groups representing a broad range of interests with one common goal; bringing America together to the benefit of all. And despite what some have said and written, the rally was not only a huge success, but also a transformative moment that has served to reinvigorate the forces that saved the country from the disastrous Republican rule of the Bush Administration. In addition, the huge turnout and the power it represented has shaken the divisive and angry Tea Party movement to it’s core.

As the rally got underway under sunny skies at noon, the area around the Lincoln Memorial and the reflecting pool was just beginning to fill up with an incredibly diverse crowd representing students and teachers, doctors and sanitation workers, whites and blacks, lawyers and laborers, gays and straights, and many other segments of American life. Soon, you could see the crowd stretching all the way down the reflecting pool to the Washington Monument and two hours into the rally they announced that, according to satellite photos, the crowd was larger than the one for the Glenn Beck nonsense on August 28th, an announcement reported by every media outlet in attendance including this blog.

It was around the time of the announcement about the crowd size that Reverend Al Sharpton gave a great speech that emphasized the need for Americans of all colors, religions and lifestyles to unite so the promise of our great country could be realized, and then backed it up by talking to the media about what is at stake in the coming election and why it is crucial to make our voices heard this November.


Earlier in the rally, MSNBC personality Ed Schultz, a progressive voice for all Americans not just for one religion or for one political orientation, exhorted the crowd to ‘fight to keep our country’ because unlike some Americans, we’ve never given up on it and don’t have to ‘take it back’.


But sadly, while the number of people at the One Nation rally was really a secondary concern to those of us in attendance compared to what it was able to successfully achieve, the news that it exceeded Beck’s Tea Party infested, divisive event seemed to touch an angry nerve for some, as can be seen in the comments generated in response to the posting about it here (see comments like Michael’s who’s so enraged he reveals troubling fears about his sexuality, our Stewartii who’s abject fear of an inclusive society leads to a morbid obsession with crowd counts).

Apparently a gathering of people representing all kinds of interests and concerns, all standing together as one and working for a common cause that benefits the entire nation and not a select few, is either a threat or a danger to what the Tea Party is and who they represent. And based on what Tea Partiers have written here and elsewhere in response to the One Nation success, it is also obvious they are very scared and very threatened by what took place in Washington DC on October 2nd. Even sadder for them is that it promises to only get worse when the Rally to Restore Sanity and the March to Keep Fear Alive take place in Washington DC on October 30th, which will probably represent many of the same people as at the One Nation rally and could be even larger! It is scary to think just how unhinged and off the wall the Tea Party will be when that happens, and personally, I just can’t wait.

(For more Don’t Tea On Me scenes CLICK HERE and for photos from the website Crooks and Liars CLICK HERE)

95 Comments leave one →
  1. benn gunn permalink
    November 3, 2010 10:09 am

    Does the tea party look scared now?

  2. October 19, 2010 9:06 am


    I went to the 1963 March on Washington. When I saw the last summers “Restoring Honor” gathering abusing the memory of Martin Luther King I wrote the song “Bus Ride To Washington” You can view it by clicking on the url or following this address.

  3. Bill S permalink
    October 15, 2010 9:33 am

    It seems to me from from what some conservatives are saying that they value uneducated intelligence higher than educated intelligence. There are claims almost that ignorance is an asset. My question is, how much education do the people have that are making these assumptions?

  4. Royce permalink
    October 11, 2010 7:05 pm

    Tea Party movement- a group of nuts joining other groups of marginally related nuts to protest something or other, in a hugely nutty way. The point of the Tea Party movement, besides the largest thrusting of testicles to America’s collective face since the Soviets launched Sputnik, is to protest…well, basically the entire functioning of the government with no alternative plan or goal whatsoever. The stated purpose of the protests is “protest against out of control government spending”, which, while something, is also terribly and uselessly vague. It’s easy to lump in the gun nut survivalists and the Paulies and any number of other wackos because a mission to do stuff (and things!) tends to welcome in anyone who has similar feelings about the top-level definition of “stuff”. When you have a bunch of angry people welcoming a bunch of other angry people with no core principles or mission, it’s hard to get pissy when you all of a sudden find yourself standing beside Clem the White Supremacist Marksman with your “NO PORKULUS” sign.

    Even teabagging advocates have no idea what it is they’re endorsing, all they know is that Reagan fought against high taxes, and this feels like that, so it would be totally awesome if this created a similar result of massive deficit spending and a large tax hike.

    Getting together a bunch of pissed off middle-aged white people with no clue about how the tax system works in public areas will generate a coherent agenda designed to combat the stimulus; if it gets enough media coverage, they will DOMINATE THE AGENDA.

    It’s like taping a horn to a horse and waiting for it to alight on a magic cloud of stardust and pixies.

  5. Russ permalink
    October 10, 2010 1:47 pm

    I’m a Tea party member, and trust me, you don’t scare us at all. We laugh at your childless games calling us names, and putting us down. The truth is, we are growing larger every day, and you FEAR us much more than you annoy us. Bottom line , if the crowds were larger than Becks rally, that the idiots at MSNBC would be all over the air with the numbers (they were not, WHY??). Face it, Beck (alone) brought more people than your 400 special interest groups combined. PS: I’m half Lebanese, and a quarter American Indian, so I dare you to call me a racist.

    • October 10, 2010 2:52 pm

      Thanks Russ, great stuff. You made ‘Tea Party Comment Du Jour’. Wow, you can’t make this stuff up!
      Hilarious comment from Russ showing false bravado and a persecution complex cuz he’s multi-racial and thinks he’s being called names. Right, like Tea Partiers don’t call people names! PRICELESS! (posted under ‘One Nation Rally…’)

      • Russ permalink
        October 10, 2010 4:13 pm

        E. Gray laugh all you want, Novembers right around the corner. Funny how you didn’t address my question concerning the 10-2-10 rally, must be afraid of the answer. The only thing you can do is make fun of me. You idiots are such a joke, you have no idea what it is to be an American.

      • October 10, 2010 5:06 pm

        Thanks again…great stuff!

      • Russ permalink
        October 10, 2010 5:58 pm

        E. Gray – This only proves that you’re the biggest racist on this blog.

      • Russ permalink
        October 10, 2010 6:01 pm

        E.Gray – You still didn’t answer the 10-2-10 question. You and your racist blog is nothing but a joke.

      • October 10, 2010 7:37 pm

        Hmmm…you dare me to call you a racist, which I don’t because I have no basis to do so, yet you call me a racist because…? You say that I am someone who is opposed to your views and that I call you names, but the only name I have used is Russ. Is that offensive? However, you have the audacity to claim “I have no idea what it is to be an American”, despite the fact that my family fought for the Union in the Civil War, for the Allies in the First World War, the Second World War, the Korean War, in Vietnam, and my sons served in the first Gulf War. Wow Russ, who is calling who names?

        Oh, and as for the ‘crowd count’….you win, cuz I am not a professional crowd estimator. I was there October 2nd and the announcement said what it said and I reported it. Nothing more, nothing less. If you have a problem with that Russ, then take it up with someone else. You wanna claim victory, then go right ahead, you win…woohoo!

        Now what name will you call me…Russ? Come on, I know you have another creative one in you…

      • Russ permalink
        October 10, 2010 10:06 pm

        LOL – Guess I struck a nerve. Don’t worry too much, it looks like the only one checking your worthless blog out is me. And for your family history, I’ll have to give that one a big BS on that one. There is no way in hell you would write this crap if that was the case. You’re probably some born loser, still living in your mommy’s basement ( I almost feel sorry for you). Go ahead now, and make fun of this too, I’m sure your reader will get a kick out of it. Good luck with your blog, unfortunately I won’t be able to check your reaction, I have wasted too much time and energy with you and your idiotic ideology. I still consider your views racist. You really think that judging someone by the color of their skin (even if it’s white) is not being a racist. People like you only help the Tea party. I have never been to a meeting where someone someone judged someone else by the color of their skin. One day you may understand what we are fighting for, hopefully.

      • October 11, 2010 8:03 am

        See, I knew you had more name calling in you Russ. Thanks for coming thru BTW, what you think of me or believe to be true is, like history will judge the Tea Party, of no consequence. Perhaps your most accurate sentiment is about this blog, which at the end of the day is really a silly exercise that few, except for perhaps you for some inexplicable reason, take seriously.

      • ReBelle permalink
        October 12, 2010 10:44 pm

        Excuse me! They call themselves TEABAGGERS, they choose the name let’s show the respect they deserve and call them by their chosen name.

    • Mondovibe permalink
      October 10, 2010 9:52 pm

      I’ve heard there are different types of TEA Parties, how would you describe your stance?

    • Royce permalink
      October 11, 2010 7:08 pm

      I’m not calling you a racist, I don’t know you. But, do you think because you are a mixed race that you can’t be racist?

    • Bonebag permalink
      October 18, 2010 9:42 pm

      That means he’s white and has a friend that lives in Lebanon, and knows a Native American.
      ( ” Wink Wink Nod Nod”)
      I get these types all the time: especially when I introduce them to a REAL LEBANESE and a REAL NATIVE AMERICAN!

    • Andy permalink
      October 20, 2010 3:20 am

      Hey, Russ how is this for nowhere near the amount of Lonesome Road’s Glenn Beck Rally!/photo.php?fbid=1632633976366&set=a.1632628536230.2090866.1252145115!/photo.php?fbid=1632634016367&set=a.1632628536230.2090866.1252145115

      Let me know if the links don’t work. I will gladly email you the pics, which prove that the One Nation Rally was at least equal to the distorting honor rally (and it was very poorly organized)

  6. Jerry Wayne Borchardt permalink
    October 6, 2010 10:35 pm

    Generally, liberals and right-wingers have different visions as to how to advance our representative democracy. Liberals believe that it is essential that we have an INFORMED populace. Right-wingers believe that our republic can flourish only if we have a MORAL electorate. Of course these two visions are not mutually exclusive, but separately they explain the great divisiveness among the opinionists on both sides.

    As a liberal, I do not see the Tea Party movement as beneficial to our nation. It seems that the Tea Partiers are woefully uninformed and cynically misinformed, and are proud know-nothings. The elitist know-nothingism of Tea-Party favorite Sarah Palin, for example, is staggering. How can we Americans be proud of a rally at Washington, no matter the great number of attendees, when that rally was led by a cynical television personality Glenn Beck whose TV and radio remarks are ever more outlandish as he traffics in overt fear mongering, Bircher-like conspiracy beliefs, distorted alternative views of history, appeals to emotion, and disingenuous, dishonest analysis of current events that mark him as a pure demagogue?

    The closest equivalent to Glenn Beck at the Mall is the similar appearance years ago of another practitioner of the alternative universe view of life and society, Louis Farrakhan. Mr. Farrakhan’s beliefs in mothership flying saucers, numerology, and racial separation didn’t hurt the turnout for the Million Man march, and his views are only slightly less credible than the nonsense we hear from Mr. Beck.The issue is this: How can we trust or believe in a movement that trusts and believes in someone like Glenn Beck who so openly espouses crackpot narratives? How can we trust those who trust and give credence to obvious, hogwashed propaganda? We truly need an informed populace.

    Liberals have been suspicious of the Tea Party from day one. Why? Not only is it home to outlandish beliefs that build steam in the self-contained tea-pot of talk radio and Fox News, the Tea Party also is studied in the art of avoiding the candid. Writing about the immediate right-wing response to the Obama administration, journalist Will Bunch in his expose THE BACKLASH notes: “It is certainly reasonable to ask how come massive protests suddenly targeted federal debt one month into Obama’s presidency, after the debt increased by an astronomical $5 trillion on George W. Bush’s watch, and why it was motivated by an $800 billion drive for public works projects backed by Obama when unrest over $700 billion to bail out banks and their millionaire execs under Bush drew such a muted initial response.”
    Retroactive criticisms of Bush deficit spending by right-wingers rings hollow: where were their angry protests during all those Bush years which gave us huge deficits and in other ways helped usher in the most urgent economic conditions since the Great Depression? Journalist Bunch suggests the obvious: the Obama Backlash is to a large measure racially motivated.

    The right wants a moral electorate, or at least they think they do. After decades of angry-at- liberals talk radio, the American right wants to believe the worst about liberal and not so liberal Democrats and their supporters. How else do we explain the fixation obvious at this web site with right-wing posts concerned about the “mess” left on the DC grounds, as if only liberals are capable of such a thing? Michael even notes “the garbage left behind on the war memorial” as special proof of liberal immorality, not surprising given his beliefs that the One Nation rally apparently consisted of “union thugs, grievance peddlers, and entitlement lifers,” not to mention “race baiters” and “communist groups” showing up and “denigrating this great country.” His clueless claims about liberals at the rally are unintentionally funny and boomerang back to the Tea Party sympathiser: “They are passionate…not intelligent…just passionate.”

    We have seen the moral electorate (right wingers) in action. Take policy issues concerning undocumented immigrants from Mexico and other Latin American countries, for instance. These immigrants are overwhelmingly good people: Church people, family oriented, hard working, etc. So, how are they portrayed by ME (moral electorate/right wingers)? As criminals. Yes, these good folks have been simply criminalized by the ME in order to justify draconian policy measures meant to eliminate them from American society for political gain. The overall cost of such measures as relating to human misery is not a factor in the equations of the moral electorate. They see instead the benefits of appealing to their fellow ME and others susceptible to malformed emotional appeals and go full speed ahead with nativist scapegoating (if not naked bigotry) and fear mongering. And they believe they are moral and should be in charge?

    Contrast the scapegoating and fearmongering of the moral electorate with true information.
    Tea Party types like to play on the resentment that is always lurking around within American conservatism. For instance, it is claimed that immigrants don’t contribute to the economy as much as they take from it. Yet studies show the opposite. For instance, one study for the University of Arizona in 2007 showed that 280,000 undocumented workers in Arizona brought in almost 2 and a half billion dollars in tax revenue but used only around 1 and half billion dollars in government services, giving the state over a 900 million dollar net gain.

    We live in unhappy economic times. We should hold our elected officials accountable if they do not do the job of improving conditions. But the Tea Party has no ideas on this front, except more the same from the ill begotten Bush years. So what is their strategy to pull in votes? I guess it is to just fan the flames of resentment some more, call Obama a Kenyan, Muslim, Marxist, fascist, and hope no one thinks to peer behind the curtain in the Tea Party’s Emerald City.

    • October 7, 2010 6:48 am

      …that rally was led by a cynical television personality Glenn Beck whose TV and radio remarks are ever more outlandish as he traffics in overt fear mongering, Bircher-like conspiracy beliefs, distorted alternative views of history, appeals to emotion, and disingenuous, dishonest analysis of current events that mark him as a pure demagogue…

      Not to mention a cynic with his real priorities being to build his celebrity to generate ratings and ad revenues for him and News Corp., and so he can sell unreadable books with grade-school level writing. If there were money and fame in espousing a philosophy that the world was flat and the moon was made of green cheese, he would be out front in a movement demonizing Christopher Columbus and calling NASA a socialist conspiracy. The man has no core principles and is sucking up every dollar he can from the poor, lower middle class of Americans who can least afford it.

    • Progressive Patriot permalink
      October 9, 2010 1:58 pm

      Mr. Borchardt’s comment is as good as the article. You’ve expressed many of my own beliefs very well.

      I have long believed that education is _the_ key to American security. A well educated populace doesn’t get snookered into voting for “the guy I’d most like to sit down and have a beer with”. An educated populace would look at the record and vote against anyone who has had a lifetime of failure, as George W Bush has had. And now they’re drooling over Sarah Palin, another loser, whose only real attribute has been expressed by a Republican acquaintance of mine … “She has a big rack” … and he wasn’t talking about the moose rack hanging on her wall.

    • Mondovibe permalink
      October 10, 2010 10:40 pm

      Refreshing and satisfying.
      I too, am concerned about the TP being vague on the critical issues we’ve got to face to stabilize our well being and their paranoid response, instead of sound humane solutions.

  7. Mondovibe permalink
    October 6, 2010 4:07 pm

    Eloise, if I may make a suggestion, balance your corporate news viewing with more independent and publicly funded news sources.

    Also, before you vote, pay attention to who’s supporting investments in US and our environment vs who’s protecting the profiteers that exploit US ( and other countries) and our environment.

    I think it’s vital we all get real about the overwhelming power big corporate money has over “We the People” and the environment and vote accordingly.

    • Elouise permalink
      October 6, 2010 10:37 pm

      Hey, thanks for the suggestions! I will definately look into it, but would you have some recommendations on certain places I could or should look?

      • Mondovibe permalink
        October 10, 2010 10:59 pm

        I just got this, so I’m sorry it’s taken me a while. You could start with PBS/WYCC TV, NPR Radio. CSPAN, Media Matters, Free Speech TV, Thom Hartman, Norman Goldman, Ring of Fire Radio, will bring you timely reports on legislation, in depth discussion and resources. Even corporate BBC News has much more integral news coverage w/investigative journalism than our main stream TV news. There’s lots more but this is a good start. These can all be easily googled & podcast if you don’t catch them live. Plug into them for a couple of weeks and you will start to see a bigger picture.
        As always, make up your own mind:)

      • REL permalink
        October 15, 2010 11:50 am

        You can try
        They track the money in politics.

  8. cokids permalink
    October 6, 2010 11:47 am

    “Okay, so my question is, if it is as big as you claim it was than why didn’t the news cover it? CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Headline News… Yahoo news didn’t even cover it. As opposed to the “Restoring Honor” rally.”

    Guess you failed to realize that one of the most recent strategies of media to deep six a story they wish to bury is to not cover it at all? So it shouldn’t be so strange that the major news outlets did not cover this event! I think it is an ‘ignore it…it’ll go away’ wish. They do this or bury it in gossip and other stories that are irrelevant and stupid! How did Lindsay Lohan become such a big story? How about Tiger Woods? Or Michael Jackson? Lipstick on a pig and many more? Sensationalize a story and it becomes the news and all else goes away! Have you noticed how the Tea Party has had major coverage since it’s inception, but other parties get short shrift?

    The Tea Party consists of 40% of voters at best, but one would think that they comprise far more to listen to the news about them! (They were an even smaller minority in the beginning when the media first began to give them lots of air time)! Most 3rd parties die of lack of coverage, but NOT the Tea Party! Wonder what that could mean?

    • October 6, 2010 11:51 am

      The Tea Party consists of 40% of voters at best, but one would think that they comprise far more to listen to the news about them!

      Once they get a close up of Christine, Rand and Miller, me thinks that will go down if it was that high to begin with.

    • John Gaudette permalink
      October 6, 2010 1:11 pm

      Coverage: Live: WGN, MSNBC, CNN, Additional major coverage: MSNBC, CNN, NBC, PBS, and WGN. Blog coverage: everywhere.

    • John Gaudette permalink
      October 6, 2010 1:13 pm

      The reason the Tea Party gets coverage is BECAUSE it is a sideshow. I assume that is why you can’t even pull off a national convention in the most tea party state, one month before the election. We are fine with our coverage. Thanks for your concern, but we don’t need it.

    • Elouise permalink
      October 6, 2010 1:33 pm

      Why would they wish to bury it though? I think it’s an honorable thing when people get together on issues they believe in. No matter who paid for it. (I’m using that in reference to the Tea Parties, btw.) Yeah, what I think doesn’t judge what is going to be on the news from day to day, but shouldn’t there be fairness in everything?

      Oh, and John? I’d rather speak with E. Gray and Cokids because they are actually having civil conversation with me and aren’t trying to have a screaming match. But thanks anyway.

    • shakestheclown permalink
      October 9, 2010 1:32 pm

      The one nation rally was nowhere near the size of Restoring Honor. Why dont you have a picture comparison if you are going to make such a statement. Do you really think the tea party was intimidated by a union organized rally where the people who did attend were required to?

  9. John Gaudette permalink
    October 6, 2010 11:33 am

    One last note on turnout. The Tea Party canceled its national convention twice due to a lack of interest. The Vegas convention was the latest to get canceled. So again, Tea party folks. Stop trolling the internet to complain and start worrying about your own lack of enthusiasm. As for us, we are quite happy with our turnout.

  10. October 6, 2010 10:55 am

    Elouise – you’re stupid
    Your cause is stupid
    Your party is stupid
    Your ‘news’ is for the stupid
    You have no idea what you really want and therefore, the rich and powerful will lead you around by your stupid righteous indignation and make you feel like you are fighting for something. You’re fighting for the stupid.
    And yes, I’m mean and ‘bashing’ for pointing out that you are in fact…stupid

    • Elouise permalink
      October 6, 2010 11:24 am

      Coming from you? If your plan was to somehow offend me, you failed terribly.

  11. John Gaudette permalink
    October 6, 2010 9:10 am

    Events on 10-2-10 started at 9 am. Jobs rallies, labor rallies, immigration rallies, were all taking place with thousands in attendance. Folks were loud and proud. During the main rally, it began to fill up later, as the parking for the buses was at RFK stadium, so folks had to take the metro 6 stops to the Mall. My point is that you can look at photos and all that to try and make the day a failure, but you can’t.

    You have no audience here, so it doesn’t matter.

    10-2-10 motivated the base. It surpassed every goal we had, and it got massive coverage. I would suggest that the tea party gang should focus on getting their own house in order.

    • Elouise permalink
      October 6, 2010 11:28 am

      Now this is something I can agree on. This is fair. It wasn’t a “Oh mine is bigger than yours” statement. It was honest, from the heart, and stated with common sense in mind. Well done John.

  12. Patricia permalink
    October 6, 2010 3:43 am

    It’s hard not to notice all the hate and venom on the right. Elouise tells us that everyone else her age is lazy, promiscuous and living off their parents, but she apparently is made of the right stuff. Michael gives us a long litany of hateful terms–the parade wasn’t made up of ordinary Americans who disagree with him. It was a “laughable parade of miscreants”, the “bused-in glassy-eyed faithful,” “moonbats”, “a ship of fools.” Alice assures us that “the higher class of people are always conservative…Better-looking people, more successful, more responsible types.”

    Has it ever occurred to you that you’re talking about your fellow Americans? People, just like you, deserving of as much respect as you’d like to have for yourselves? You’re not discussing issues here. You’re hurling invectives. Is there no one on the right capable of carrying on a discussion without resorting to insult?

    Grow up. Your comments are an unfortunate example of the incivility that takes over when people think they’re anonymous.

    • Elouise permalink
      October 6, 2010 6:27 am

      Way to go on misquoting me. I didn’t say “everyone” my age was that way, but most people are… and I didn’t say I was “made of the right stuff” but thanks for putting words in my mouth!

      • Royce permalink
        October 11, 2010 7:01 pm

        “most people?” How many people do you know? That is blatant generalization at it’s finest

    • Jim permalink
      October 6, 2010 9:34 am

      Good comment Patricia, but it’s not just the “right”. I hear and see personal attacks and a general lack of respect from the left as well. I find it ironic how both sides seem to do the same exact thing – who spews it more depends on how the wind blows and if they have no facts to backup what they say. It’s true that the Internet and blogs like this one provide an outlet where one might release their frustrations and point of view without having to confront anyone. The result can be a simple lack of respect, which you may never do if we were face to face. –Please, at least agree that the left could be a little more civil too. I don’t know where you stand politically or how “left” you swing, but in this case you’re “right” – Respects to a fellow American. (Now, I’m I politically right or left?)

  13. Usam1981 permalink
    October 5, 2010 12:47 pm

    Fact is folks, people who were there said that the large numbers laster not even 10 minutes before people left in LARGE NUMBERS. The Glenn Beck rally kept their numbers the ENTIRE TIME, and the crowd was as big at the end as it was at the beginning, while at the end of Oct. 2 Rally, there were less than 100 left, according to many calculations. Get used to it, we have more people on our side. The only reason people were at this rally was they were being paid, while Glenn Beck people were there because they wanted to be.

    • October 5, 2010 1:28 pm

    • Lily Knol permalink
      October 5, 2010 7:47 pm

      I was there, you are WRONG.

    • Tmac permalink
      October 5, 2010 10:24 pm

      Fact is you’re full of shit!! Tea party is a flash in the pan! Here today, gone tomorrow.

      • shakestheclown permalink
        October 9, 2010 1:52 pm

        Yea the left has been saying that for how long now? 2 yrs? Do you really think it will be gone anytime soon? Now they are already gearing up for 2012. Howard Dean put it the best this week when he said the tea party was a monster. The tea party isnt going anywhere, dont insult yourself by actually believing that.

  14. Jim permalink
    October 4, 2010 1:31 pm

    Reading your blog “The One Nation Rally Larger than Glenn Beck’s…” sent me researching. Where are you getting your facts? The counts for both events are all over the place with some blogs ridiculously reporting over one million at the One nation Rally. MSNBC and CBS reports “One Nation” had a count in the “tens of thousands”. MSNBC and other sources claim Glenn Beck’s lowest number was 87,000 to 300,000 plus (the larger number reported by MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough. Photos and video posted by MSNBC, CBS and Huffington Post (far from GOP friendly sources) seemed to say it all – standing shoulder to shoulder Beck’s crowd went all the way to the Washington Memorial without a blade of grass seeing the light of day. The 10/2 rally, at it’s best, went almost a third of that, the rest was lawn. (See video The “One Nation” crowd wasn’t nearly as dense either. Post several live video links from a major news source showing anything different.

    • October 4, 2010 2:23 pm

      The article premise is predicated on what was announced while in attendance at the event…nothing more and nothing less. As is clear from the controversies over this and many other similar events, coming to a precise calculation that everyone trusts is nigh impossible, so all we’re doing is reporting what was said while onsite. Not being a professional crowd estimator (nor playing one on TV), I’ll give you my eyewitness, first hand, highly scientific guesstimate…there were a sh**load of people there (to be precise). I’m guessing that would have been my eyewitness, first hand, highly scientific guesstimate if on hand for 8/28 as well.

      Suffice it to say, there is passion on both sides of the equation, which is counter to the MSM narrative that they seem so obsessed with.

    • John Gaudette permalink
      October 5, 2010 8:44 am

      The crowd comparison shots were shot at different points during the rally. The 10-2-10 shot going around the web was shot before the event had a chance to fill up. If they took a shot later in the day, they would have seen a significantly bigger crowd than Beck. Heck, the beltway and subway systems were so backed up, most people didn’t get to the event until after 1pm. In any case, both events were successful in numbers. The significance of the One Nation event is that it counters the assumption that Dems are apathetic. It was loud, proud, and a huge crowd. Period.

      • Jim permalink
        October 6, 2010 6:21 am

        I’m no Tea Party or Beck fan, but “One Nation” lacked the unity and the crowd it should have had. Although it had its high points the crowd, generally speaking, just wasn’t into the event. –Your right, comparing photos of Beck’s rally during its peak with those of the 10/2 event at or before it started is not fair, butthe “One Nation” turnout was not Beck’s. In my first comment I gave a link to a CBS news video (NOT photos) where you can hear speakers talking [during the rally] and how the crowd looked and acted. Other, more liberial sources, posted or broadcast video showing the crowd later in the day and showed a good crowd but the numbers and lack of unity overall. –Forget the guessed at numbers floating around, forget the photos taken who knows when and look at video with Ed Shultz and others speaking andwatch as the cameras pan by the pool into the distance. There are places (during the event) you could practice your short game of golf. Beck’s rally had them packed before, during and after – solid. His crowd expanding through the trees and into the t0 the Washington Monument. You just have to look and I’d like to see something different in a video from a good source. Even if you were at the 10/2 event there is no way to truly view the crowd without looking at the video’s. For those who were there, the place was left a mess – come on!

  15. Elouise permalink
    October 4, 2010 10:56 am

    Man I jacked that last post up… oh well. lol

  16. Alice permalink
    October 4, 2010 8:34 am

    Who heard about this rally, was it even announced? It was so small, the radar, up in the sky could not capture the photos.
    I have noticed, every plainly, the higher class of people and higher educated people are always the conservatives. Not just having a degree or getting through Harvard, who cares, but real intelligent and able to think, type people. Better looking people, more successful and more responsible types.
    Just wondering, if everybody else has noticed this same oblivious picture?

    OH, Yea!, this would make sense, because the Socialism types, don’t want to work smarter or harder. Liberals chat, steal the successful people’s money and give it to us. But, what they don’t realize, They, the liberals, are NEVER going to receive any money. Policticans are going to get it ALL. Then, everybody will be the same, with NOTHING. This is a great idea. Go For it.
    WE all can be ONE NATION, with Nothing! ONE NATION that are all in poverty & weak.
    I can’t wait… It will be Bliss…. Thanks… for nothing!

    • October 4, 2010 5:17 pm

      I tried to let this go but since you began your post by espousing your intelligence and that of other conservatives, it became more and more difficult to overlook the “oblivious picture” that you “real intelligent and able to think type people” keep showing us in posts, signage, and interviews. The OBVIOUS picture is apparently that in addition to being fairly illiterate, the average tea bagger is so wound up and so confused by the factually bankrupt nature of your talk show hosts and ‘news’ anchors, that you have trouble making complete sentences much less valid arguments.

      As for the size of the crowd, I have no doubt that there were likely more at the Beck rally. The dumb, scared and easily manipulated have always outnumbered the informed and the modest…especially at rallies.

      • Elouise permalink
        October 4, 2010 7:28 pm

        A bashing liberal at their best. Bashing someone.

    • Rick permalink
      October 5, 2010 9:24 am

      The higher class of people and the more educated ones are the conservatives? Really? Have you really listened to the candidates from the GOP/Tea Party that are running in this years mid-terms? These people would be laughed off the public stage if they ran for elected office anywhere but the U.S. The conservative movement has made it damn near impossible for anyone with an I.Q. higher than their shoe size to (at least anyone who runs as a Republican) get elected to any office for decades. Anyone with any real expertise or intelligence are labeled “elitists” and are drowned out by right winger bomb throwers like Limbaugh, Hannity and their ilk. Please read “Idiot America: How Stupidity Became A Virtue In The Land Of The Free” by Charles P. Pierce and when you get to the part where he describes seeing a display of a triceratops with an English riding saddle on it’s back at a Creationist “museum” and then tell me how much more classy and educated conservatives are as compared to liberals.

      • Elouise permalink
        October 5, 2010 12:30 pm

        I would have to disagree with you. There are unintelligent people from every class and party of people. And whether you think the candidates running for the “GOP/Tea Party” are intelligent or not doesn’t make their poll numbers any lower. Also this isn’t “anywhere else”. This is the United States… we aspire to be greater than just “anywhere else”.

        I also had a question, this Charles Pierce, he believes that all conservatives believe in creation? Because from what I’ve been told, you don’t have to believe in creation to be a conservative.

    • Tmac permalink
      October 5, 2010 10:29 pm

      Accually, the conservative crowd is mostly (99%) white! I wouldn’t call that a cross section of America.Fact be known, liberals are comprised of more “college” grads than conservative. You’re entitled to your opinion but not you’re own facts!

      • Elouise permalink
        October 6, 2010 6:35 am

        So you believe that intelligence is based on whether you have a college degree or not? Hmmm

  17. stewartiii permalink
    October 3, 2010 7:31 pm

    Mediaite: Yes, Glenn Beck’s Rally Was Officially Bigger Than The One Nation Rally

  18. stewartiii permalink
    October 3, 2010 7:28 pm

    J$P: Who’s Lying About the Size of Glenn Beck’s Rally?

    • October 3, 2010 8:02 pm

      That is hilarious. I was there. The picture you show of the 10/2 rally was taken around 10:30am to 11am well before the Rally started and the crowd peaked (look at the shadows genius). But regardless, your obsession shows your fear. Your coalition of hate and anger is dissolving because it is being led by charlatans and morally bankrupt leaders like Beck, Palin, Christine O’Connell, and Rand Paul. Your fear is palpable, and quite amusing. And exposing it is quite satisfying.

      • bosco permalink
        October 4, 2010 7:13 am

        Interesting, so do you have a “peak” overhead photo of the 02oct2010 rally that I can link to?

        Don’t tell me that no one went up to the top of the Washington Monument and took photos.

      • Elouise permalink
        October 4, 2010 10:23 am

        Yes, but you were supposedly at a tea party as well, and saw the root of evil trying to destroy the country. Just sayin’.

      • Austin permalink
        October 4, 2010 11:39 am

        The 8/28 Restoring honor rally started at 10:00 AM. So your allready show that you information is false. I was there to BTW.

      • October 4, 2010 11:42 am

        Yes, I was talking about 10/2. Started at noon, some are using pictures taken at 10am when few people were their. I have no idea what time the other started, peaked or ended. Regardless, people can carp and pick all they want. The report received was what it was. Believe it or don’t. I saw a lot of people because I was there. It was enough to tell me the MSM narrative of voter apathy for dems is off the mark, and this appears to frighten some people. So keep obsessing about minutia.

      • Elouise permalink
        October 4, 2010 12:20 pm

        Okay, so my question is, if it is as big as you claim it was than why didn’t the news cover it? CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Headline News… Yahoo news didn’t even cover it. As opposed to the “Restoring Honor” rally.

        Hope that didn’t sound mean I’m trying not to sound mean.

      • October 4, 2010 12:31 pm

        A question better directed to the news editors at those outlets. It seems pretty clear the MSM is enamored with the Tea Party narrative. Hey, at the end of the day it isn’t about journalism anymore, its about ratings cuz that’s what drives the bottom line.

      • Mondovibe permalink
        October 5, 2010 11:19 am

        Truth Out!

  19. stewartiii permalink
    October 3, 2010 7:17 pm

    “But the Big Lie is the attendance. And the bigger the lie, the quicker it spreads through the noise machine. In short order we read that the One Nation rally ‘[officially]*’ drew [more attendees]** than Beck’s.”
    J$P: Fox Haters Week in Review!

  20. Michael permalink
    October 3, 2010 4:41 pm

    Mikey…grow up. It’s something that adults learn when discussing issues with others. When someone ignores your comments and simply posts comments regarding punctuation and sentence construction… they have ceded the intellectual high ground and decided they do not possess the intellect to discuss a topic. This is typical of kids (of the moonbat persuasiion). Now Mikey, don’t be such a pussy. If you actually support this ship of fools….man up and admit it and then we can discuss…otherwise…go put on that dress you wear and get to work fixing the rest of us dinner.

  21. Michael permalink
    October 3, 2010 1:14 pm

    Oh that’s rich…focus on a few typos….misdirection does not work on the American public either…no amount of flowery language, manufactured hate, chants by the bused-in glassy-eyed faithful, will change the fact that:


    It’s been an interesting experiment, but…..we’re done!

    • October 3, 2010 8:08 pm


      Quick question…why did you let it go in the first place? Not important enough? Just askin’

      • Michael permalink
        October 5, 2010 12:22 pm

        Good question…I think we were simply not paying enough attention to the incrementalism of the left (and the far left). One observation I have over the past 20 or so years is that Democrats have never been afraid to take to the streets and scream their views (right or wrong) at the top of their lungs. It seems that this passion has been missing with the center and right. Apathy..perhaps. I see this in the way that groups that represent a position shared by only a small minority are able to sway legislation….or court rulings. They are passionate…not intelligent…just passionate. They have been willing to go to the mat for whatever ridiculous idea they have. It works selective indignation is a effective tool of the left.

        However, we can certainly thank the Obama admin for waking up the rest of America. The groups at the mall in DC over the weekend didn’t represent America no matter how hard the speakers screamed that it did. The garbage left behind on the war memorial said more than anything that came out of their mouths. The majority of the USA is not made up of union thugs, grievance peddlers, entitlement lifers and our old friends the race baiters. Nor people that have found some reason to hate everything we stand for. I just can’t imagine that you, E. Gray, align yourself with the communist groups that show up denegrating this great country…or do you? Are you even aware of size and passion of the ground swell against people that hold these views and want to lobby for them? My God, I see blog after blog of people saying the same damn thing as if all is well with the left and I ask myself where do this people live…in a cave? They certainly can’t be paying attention. I suppose too busy scoffing at and disregarding any opposing views and thinking that one TV channel (Fox) is somehow responsible for all its woes. It amazes me that this group of people collectively look at what has happened over the past 2 years, and think this is the right direction. It would be funny if it wasn’t so accurate. It’s almost as if some of these groups think that ignorance is a virtue. It shows me how far the left has fallen from its incredible history. Certainly you understand that building a dumbed-down dependent constituency is not a winning political strategy. You are responsible for waking people up… and I thank you for that. These rallies couldn’t have been more different….and the nation knows it…now more than ever. I would take a peak at the new polls if I were you…within 30 days of an election they switch to targeting “likely voters”…November will not be kind to the left. This is not by accident…you really have awakened the country…. As I said…its been an interesting experiment…but we’re done. You’ve lost the independents (I am one), your candidate fooled them once with the flowery rhetoric and soaring speeches…you won’t again. Hang on…the next two years is going to be a bumpy ride. Hey…and thanks for posting opposing views…many blogs don’t do that…bravo to you!

      • Elouise permalink
        October 5, 2010 9:56 pm

        And bravo to you Michael. You may be speaking a bit fast for these folk, though.

    • Alice permalink
      October 4, 2010 8:57 am

      The LEFT can’t win.. They have to attack the person personally. This is all they have. TEXT BOOK failure. I love it when you can’t speell, typoes and STILL get your point across. GOOD JOB. Keep on Subject… The Left hate people who can stay on point… Keep it up!

      • joyfuljoy permalink
        October 5, 2010 8:55 pm

        We progressives are the ones who fought and died in Vietnam while your leader Rush Limbaugh dodges the draft due to a pylonidal cyst. I cannot begin to tell you the number of those that we fixed on soldiers in the military, very simple operation. I was a military nurse, so I know what I am talking about.
        How it worked for that hulking drug addict to get out of the draft, I will never understand.
        Don’t you think you should chose your heroes more wisely?

      • RubyGlare permalink
        October 5, 2010 10:52 pm

        Projection, Alice, you’re projecting again. The Left is well-known for being too polite to the Neo-Cons & Tea-Ps, after all, the “kumbaya, bleeding heart Liberals” is an insult the Right loves to throw around. So is the “Liberals are SO intimidating & SCARY. Peculiar, since it’s not possible to be both-so which is it Alice? Eloise? Michael? Anyone? & Michael-hey what about the years 2001 thru 2008:you like the direction America took then? You like how W kept us safe after Sept-except for the anthrax mailings that October? You like how W came, hat in hand every 4 months, & asked for another 80 BILLION DOLLARS-for his misadventures in Iraq & Afghanistan? Please note yr 2009 is less than yr 2003.

      • Elouise permalink
        October 6, 2010 7:00 am

        The left is too nice to the right? Is that a joke? Oh, I think you are being serious! None of these comments on this page directed toward your “fellow countrymen” are nice.

        Actually, I applaud any right minded person (conservative and republican) giving their opinion on here, because usually, from posts I’ve seen, they get ripped apart. They (the right) can even try being NICE and they still get ripped apart. Call me stupid, (which I’m sure you will) but I see no niceties whatsoever when it’s coming from the left.

    • joyfuljoy permalink
      October 5, 2010 8:45 pm

      Who has taken your country? My country, the one my husband and I both served during the Vietnam War, is just fine. It’s you malcontents (that’s what we called you guys in the military who were always grousing about something, anything to get attention) and nutjobs, racists and KKK members who have lost some white power when we elected a black president’
      Too bad, you might as well get used to it. You can have Palin and O’Donnell hifalutin’ it and strutting around on high heels to make you salivate, but they ain’t the real deal.
      Our intelligent and thoughtful black president is the real deal.
      Don’t you know that hating is bad for your digestion?

      • Elouise permalink
        October 5, 2010 9:54 pm

        Heed your own warning joyful. It sounds like you have a lot of hate for everyone who doesn’t share the same opinion as you.

  22. Michael permalink
    October 3, 2010 10:21 am

    I thinks its out now. This rally was by all measures, an abject failure. No amount of blogging gymnastics can change this laughable parade of misreants. I do think th best thing that came out of this was that at least the American people were able to get a crystal clear view of who the moonbat Democratic base really is! I’m not sure you have the intelligence to know when to be embarrassed. Pictures of the mess, the spares crowds, the hilarious speeches are all over the net as of this morning. What do you do now? If you can’t manufacture a crowd or make people show up without being required to do so by thier union…..What exactly is the next move? You actually think this rally was indiciative of what Americans want?To somehow convince others that this embarrassment is where you want the country to go? Seriously, whats the next move…I think this just galvanized your opposition….the country saw this ridiculous parade. Where do you go from here?

    • Mikey permalink
      October 3, 2010 12:18 pm

      If you learn to spell, punctuate, and construct grammatical sentences, you might be taken seriously, despite your parochial viewpoint.

    • joyfuljoy permalink
      October 5, 2010 8:50 pm

      My, oh my. Your spelling is atrocious. Miscreats of your ilk should not be allowed near a typewriter.
      Did you graduate from junior high? If not, you should go back and finish your education because one needs a good education and the tools it gives you in this economy. President Obama barely saved us from a depression.
      There aren’t any jobs out there anymore pumping gas, so what are your plans?

      • Elouise permalink
        October 5, 2010 9:48 pm

        Is that the best you can do? Insult after insult. What are YOUR plans? Are you going to ride Obamas’ coattail or are you so much smarter that you have the answer to all of this? No… of course not. You think that we are somehow saved from a depression, which is still very much possible.

  23. kevin permalink
    October 3, 2010 8:30 am

    Wow. It amazes me that the left is so easily deceived. Seeing is believing…

    • Alice permalink
      October 4, 2010 8:52 am

      Yes, Your RIGHT! The more uncommon sense things make, the more the Left believes it.
      Listen to the way Obama talks… What is the “Obama change” he is screaming about now? Nobody knows.
      Obama in National Address :”We don’t know where we are going, We don’t know how we are going to get there, but when we get there, we will know it”. how damn dumb is this statement.
      Everyone knows, that has ever achieved a plan or dream, A person MUST be very clear on what they are wanting, very clear on how to get there and most of all….write in detail, the way you want it to look when it is achieved or finished.
      Obama has never achieved anything, except lying, misleading and fraud. Very Successful!

  24. Lois permalink
    October 2, 2010 8:59 pm

    Boy I really think that you will be so sad when you see the satellite photos of the rally. If there were more than 10 or 15 thousand people, than there really were 500000 + at Becks rally. This was a failure. Now maybe you progressives will believe that you are in the minority and are NOT mainstream. Smaller government and spending cuts coming your way!!!!

    • RubyGlare permalink
      October 5, 2010 11:01 pm

      Good idea: start with homeland sec, what a waste, then quit giving a billion per year to Egypt & quit the 2 billion a year handout to Israel, they can take care of themselves, they have the weapons. End the oil baron’s welfare & undo Rummy’s deformation of the military’s supply services, a $100 bag of laundry is beyond outrageous.

      • GeneBeil permalink
        October 15, 2010 1:12 pm

        Great comment, Ruby. End the welfare for the rich. The right-wing cry for drug testing for welfare recipients. How about equal opportunity drug testing for the CEOs of companies with their billion dollar defense contracts?

    • John Gaudette permalink
      October 6, 2010 11:29 am

      200,000 people. Get over it.

  25. October 2, 2010 7:22 pm

    He did the right thing! If you’re not going to let him speak why should he stay there when he is already outnumbered four to one.
    I notice that Fox almost always does that 3 to 1 , 4 to 1. What is
    Fox afraid of?

    • Elouise permalink
      October 4, 2010 10:29 am

      Do you think that Fox has something to be afraid of? I think not.

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